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It is "Sartori & Berger" - this is interesting, as Brown's 1926 edition has just 1-77 at the bottom - home: Hamburg; Brown (1951) and Wolter (1968) have a bare bottom - home: Kiel. Loughran (1979) explains: "What made the houseflag unusual was that below the saltire, a number was included. This was different for each vessel, and denoted the ship's sequence of inclusion in the fleet. (he shows an example with just "51" in the bottom). The custom was discontinued in 1929, when some 77 ships had thus been enumerated."
In view of Jorge Candeias' image and the image in [wed26] I have grave doubts about Loughran's use of the number of 51, as he has also Kiel as its homeport, which should have been Hamburg; only later it moved to Kiel (or as Loughran likes to misspell it: "Keil").
Jarig Bakker, 22 Dec 2004
Hum... then I suppose that the smaller 7 I mentioned is in fact simply a "-"? That is: the number sould be "1-73"?
Jorge Candeias, 23 Dec 2004
I think you giffed it correctly - the little "7" is clearly visible on the .jpg file. I checked the online
Lloyd's 1912 register, which has also 1-77 in the bottom (see p. 66) - it's the little difference which makes it interesting!
Jarig Bakker, 23 Dec 2004
The debate on the original image provided by Jorge Candeias showing 1773 in base is, by several sources, shown to be in favour of the second character being a dash and not a little 7. Thus Lloyds 1904 shows "1.-73.", Lloyds 1912 and Brown 1926 and 1929 "1-77", and Reed 1912 "1-78".
The company originated in Kiel [Loughran by the way shows the correct spelling under the image if not in his general text] in 1858 and its head quarters are still there. In the late 1960s it was taken over by Knud Knudsen and is still a family concern under his son Volkert though they have since ceased shipowning and operating and are now ship brokers, agents and the like.
The flags with numbers were peculiar and unique to individual ships. 1773 as a ship number based on sequence in the fleet, or as a date, would seem to be out of things but as I have not seen the original source there may be another twist to things. Why they would use a system of "1-" followed by a sequence number I cannot figure. Version 3 as shown by Klaus-Michael Schneider with a straight number in the base is in line with that shown by Loughran and further support for this format can be seen here, where a painting of the steamer shows a flag with the number "40" though the detail does not include an "&" on the saltire.
Version 2 by Klaus-Michael Schneider without numbers is of course the company flag and has no doubt flown all the time being shown by Griffin 1895, The Massary cigarette cards of 1930, Talbot-Booth from 1937, Brown in 1951 and Stewart in 1963 and is of course still flying above the company building.
Neale Rosanoski, 11 Jun 2009
Sartori und Berger - It is a white flag divided by a red saltire. There are black capital letters "S" (hoist) and "B" (fly) and a black "&"
in the centre of the flag.
All images are based on own photos, spotted on 15 January 2007.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 15 Feb 2007
In the lower quarter is a black number “3”.
Source: Cigarette Album “Reedereien der Welthandelsflotte”; edited by Brinkmann, cigarette manufacturer in Bremen
I got the images from Jan Mertens from an EBAY offer.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 30 Mar 2009
Description of flag:
In this variant is an additional 1-77 in the bottom quarter. The company is located in Kiel. (with a Hamburg branch) Source: Lloyds 1912 ; p.101 , flag no.1356
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 10 May 2012 /Klaus-Michael Schneider/, (see attached file:de~sabe77.gif )
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