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by Eugene Ipavec , 8 July 2007
The Black Eyed Peas in Somalian mode? at least on the cover of their
Jan Mertens, 7 July 2007
by Eugene Ipavec , 5 July 2007
In an old issue of the magazine "Creem" was a feature on the Heavy Metal band Blue Oyster Cult. It had a photograph of the band performing live with a large Nazi-style banner or backdrop behind the band. It had a red field and white disc, but had in place of the swastika the symbol of the Blue Oyster Cult which is something like this: ż with a vertical line above the dot and a horizontal line on either side of the dot.
As at least one member of the band is Jewish, IIRC, they were almost certainly not making any nod to a band crypto-fascism. Rather, the band emerged in the wake of the so-called "Summer of Love" and their dark and brooding style was in direct opposition to the hippie notions of love and peace of that time.
You can see the flag here
For a closer look at the symbol, look here
John Evosevic , 18 october 2002
Their symbol was supposedly the Greek symbol of chaos and had nothing to do with neo-fascism or Nazis. I have been a Blue Oyster Cult fan since 1971 and all of us have known this since then.
Greg Biggs , 18 october 2002
Some further comments on Blue Oyster Cult, as listed on that
page. Yes, at least one of their core members is Jewish (Eric Bloom
and Sandy Pearlman both are, IIRC), and the logo is not intended to
be antisemitic/neonazi. The symbol is featured somewhere (even if
hidden) on each of the band's album covers. On one album - "On your
feet or on your knees" - it is shown on a car flag (a la the flags of
presidents and other high ranking officials). On this cover, the flag
is white with the symbol in red, as shown here
The symbol, according to Wikipedia, is "that of Kronos , the king of the Titans and father of Zeus in Greek mythology, and is the alchemical symbol for lead, one of the heaviest of metals."
James Dignan , 3 July 2007
by António Martins-Tuválkin , 7 June 2007
A long time ago, back in 1999 or so I reported and GIFfed a flag I
on TV: It was a red-up rastafarian flag (Ethiopian-based
horizontal tricolor) with a black sold David star on the yellow stripe,
standing on two points and tangent at the stripes edge. The screen
read Burning Spear, and may have been archival footage. I'm
persistent enough to send it a second time after eight years.
According to the English Wikipedia, Burning Spear is the name of a reggae band, and later the stage name of its lead singer, Winston Rodney (born 1948).
I tried to find online the Rasta flag with solid black David star, but I found none (but see last link below). I recall a large flag hanging on the stage background during concert; the David star symbolism should have obvious connections to the interpretation of the Bible in Rastafarian religion.
I found however other uses of flags by Burning Spear, in what may be typical Rastafarian and/or reggae musician usage, some photos showing:
by Eugene Ipavec , 2 september 2006
This is a flag that appears in an animated music
video by the group Disturbed for their cover of the song "Land of
Confusion," originally by Genesis. Detail of screengrab here.
The video shows the masked allegorical figure of Anarchy leading a mob into battle against the forces of the repressive, warmongering world order, represented by caricatures of the leaders of the great powers and presided over by a similarly allegorical Corruption. (I seem to recall that the original 1980s Genesis music video did something similar with foam puppets of Reagan, Thatcher and Mitterand.)
The flag of the world order appears several times - flying in front of the UN, in particular - and is a rather unimaginative Nazi knockoff with an oddly angular "$" sign in place of the swastika.
Eugene Ipavec , 2 september 2006
by Eugene Ipavec , 16 February 2006
I recall vaguely a Green Day video
where the band were standing in front of a melting black and white US
flag. unfortunately, I cant' remember what the song was.
James Dignan , 3 July 2007
A band which has made use of altered S&S imagery is a video by Green
Day for their song "American idiot", which has the band performing in
front of a giant green and white American flag.
James Dignan , 13 February 2009
The flag can be seen
Eugene Ipavec , 16 February 2009
by António Martins-Tuválkin , 4 July 2007
A flag can be seen here
Esteban Rivera , 30 June 2007
You can have access to information about the image, in context, here
as said the cover of 2006 album A Matter of Life and Death, described
It is a black pirate-like flag with the typical
"Eddie, the head" facial
features and army helmet in the skull, and crossed sub-automatic rifles
(?) under it (instead of the classical bones).
António Martins-Tuválkin , 4 July 2007
by Olivier Touzeau, 10 July 2007
Some of you may have heard of the musical band Laibach, a group from
Slovenia which makes parodic and industrial music and uses totalitarist and
fascist symbols and aesthetics in a provocative way. Remember that Laibach is
the german name of Ljubljana... The band began its carreer in the early
Laibach uses a black vertical banner during its concerts, with its logo (cogwheel and Malevitch cross). I send the gif, you can see it in use heres and here for example.
The group website can be access here
Olivier Touzeau, 10 July 2007
ormer member of ABBA, Anni-Frid 'Frida' Lyngstad, Princess of Reuss, has done
some solo works. This is from an album all sung in Swedish in the 1990's which can be seen
The flag can be seen about 1:40 into the video.
The pictures are as they should be with part colour and part black/white, but the lyrics are unfortunatelly not in sync with the pictures.
Elias Granqvist, 28 April 2009
Nice song. The flag is vertically red-white-red-white, with a soldier
in Napoleonic-era gear next to it. a screencap can be seen here
Elias Granqvist, 28 April 2009
by Eugene Ipavec & Joseph McMillan, 5 July 2007
Marilyn Manson used a huge altered American flag in his concerts a few years ago. It featured his "shock symbol", a downward-pointing lightning-bolt arrow in a circle, in place of the 50 stars in the blue field. As far as an image is concerned, I can only point you to the website of one of his
Sean Wilkinson , 14 April 2003
It reminds me of the logo used by the British Union of Fascists.
Marc Pasquin, 2 July 2007
by António MARTINS-Tuválkin , 23 January 2008
I think he has also used the symbol on long vertically hanging flag- like drapings on his concerts. These were black with the symbol in red and white, IIRC, and reminded me slightly of the German flag of 1935-1945.
Elias Granqvist , 15 April 2003
I remember another flag of Marilyn Manson, by the way. It was a long
vertical hanging in black with a white circle with red bordure in
centre. In the white circle was a back symbol which I am not sure of,
but IIRC it was one lightningbolt looking almost like the S used in
the emlem of Nazi-German SS; perhaps it was a stylized M though.
Manson had this on stage at some show.
Elias Granqvist, 1 July 2007
I believe that what Elias is talking about is this image located here
Esteban Rivera , 2 July 2007
This image is a first-class example of how not to combine colours: red
and black do not provide adequate contrast for a clear emblem. The
tincture rule does make sense, after all.
The combination also carries strongly negative emotions.
Mike Oettle, 2 July 2007
Tell that to the Albanians!
Mind you, it is true that the red/black combination is particularly common in fascist and fascist-inspired flags.
James Dignan, 2 July 2007
Funny, I always associated red-black with leftist anarchists, not with
fascists. Go figure...
Albert S. Kirsch, 3 July 2007
Actually. that combination of colours isn't at all common in fascist flags.
Simply fascist flags come in all sorts of colours and designs. It's the nazi and nazi-inspired variant that have some uniformity in colours and designs, and those are not black and red: they are black, red and *white*, the colours the original nazis took from the german imperial flag.
Red and black, whitout white, are connected instead with two quite different ideological trends: the anarchists, especially of the anarcho-syndicalist variant, and the trotskytes, the followers of the 4th International.
Jorge Candeias, 3 July 2007
As I recall it, the field within the red circle was white, and there were no small objects beside the lightning bolt (the small objects which are so small in this picture it is hard to figure out what they are). However, it was a long time since I saw it and it was on a small screen TV showing parts of a concert, so I might be mistaken.
Elias Granqvist, 27 January 2008
A flag appears in the music video Prototype, that
sort of tells a love story between an alien and a earth woman. The flag is
white with a very small black 8-pointed star in the middle, which also
appears in the clothes (some kind of uniform) of the aliens. So it's meant
to be the flag of the aliens, I guess.
Jorge Candeias, 4 january 2006
The group also used a black and white US flag
pictured on their album covers and used as a stage backdrop. There
were two types of this flag. There was one where the stars were
upright and one where they were upside down.
Zachary Harden, 4 january 2006
What was meant with this design? Anything to do with Marilyn Manson
who used/uses a similarly described variation of the
US flag? What was the exact change? Blue and red as black?, or blue as
white with black stars?, and/or black and white stripes but starting
(and ending) with a white stripe?
António Martins-Tuválkin, 7 january 2006
by Eugene Ipavec, 16 February 2009
I was looking at these things recently: A video by Pearl Jam ("Do the evolution"), in which a red background banner with a white disc on (resembling a Nazi banner) is displayed.
Esteban Rivera, 5 December 2006
The Pearl Jam video is a extremely dark
and misanthropic 5-minute animated recap of the last few billion years
or so; the band does not appear in it (they stopped out of bitterness
after their video for the song "Jeremy" was unfairly accused of
encouraging teen suicide, if I remember correctly.)
The flag which appears was as Esteban notes obviously meant to be a Nazi banner; the animators probably used the S-like stand-in symbol because a swastika would have limited the video's broadcast opportunities. A screencap detail (from Youtube) can be seen here.
Eugene Ipavec, 15 February 2009
In the music video for the song "Trouble", performed by American
singer Pink, there is a red flag with three black six pointed stars
in the centre, in the order one above two. Obviously it is a flag
for the people Pink fight in the video, because at the end she rips
the flag down.
Elias Granqvist, 1 january 2004
contributed by Alan Jenney, taken from a commercial site.
In the film "Pink Floyd; The Wall", there is a quasi-Nazi flag displayed that has been adopted by several Neo-Nazi groups in the USA. I recall the flag having a pair of claw hammers with handles over allping to form an X, and the head of the hammers facing the left, superimposed against a ring with gear teeth on the outside. The background had two bars, white (top) and red (bottom).
Use of this flag has inspired a movement known as "hammerskins".
Ironically, the film was meant as an attack ON fascism! Go figure!
Steven F. Scharff, 10 february 2001
The only graphic I
have seen of this flag is from some original artwork. The hammers are
shown as almost photographic, the flag is shown as a 1:1 scale,
pretty much as described in the posting but half grey and half red.
This grey colour may just be to give it a slightly older or
The (light-duty) claw hammers have red painted handles with a black rubber grip covering the lower half. There is a black band on the top of the handle where it joins the hammer head.
In the promotional video to the single "Another Brick in the Wall", in the film "The Wall" and at concerts, these crossed hammers are shown in animation like the marching legs of soldiers in a parade. "The Wall", these hammers and anti-facist sentiment played a large part in Pink Floyd's works.
I have seen the toothed wheel mentioned as part of this image at some other time, presumably to give it a "hammer and sickle" look, but not in connection with The Floyd.
Alan Jenney, 1 July 2002
Site picture incorrect, flag pictured here
Rick Prohaska, 30 March 2008
by Jorge Candeias
From 1993.06.07 to 2000, US music perfomer Prince Rogers Nelson (born
1958), used as his career name an unpronounceable symbol, replacing the
former denomination "The Artist" (a.k.a. "The Artist, formerly known as
Prince"), which itself replaced the original name "Prince". This artist
is now Prince again.
Following a hazy recollection of this symbol on flags in a Prince clip, I used the symbol I found here and put it in yellow on a purple background. This is how I seem to recall having seen this symbol used in flags, though I might be (quite) away from the truth. For what is worth, the color purple is widely used in the layout of the "artist's"website.
Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin , 27 july 2002
Well, my not so fuzzy recollection of this video (a music clip produced as
if it was a live concert, or a real live concert, I don't really remember)
tells me that the symbol was golden on a white flag, waved proudly by
TAFKAP (The Artist Formerly Known As Prince). The symbol itself was
reflecting light as if it was made of little pieces of glass, I suppose to
give the idea of gold.
Jorge Candeias , 29 july 2002
by Eugene Ipavec & Joseph McMillan, 5 July 2007
The music band Rage Against The
Machine uses a flag (image taken from here) based on that of the
United States) during almost every concert as can be seen here (image taken from musicfanclubs.org). The sentence on top of the
upside-down flag reads : "something doesn't smell good"
Esteban Rivera, 27 june 2005
by Eugene Ipavec , 8 July 2007
A flag appears on the cover of an album of
Swedish war-metal band Sabaton as can be seen
here - a
blue flag with a pair of crossed rifles surrounded by three
fleurs-de-lys, all white.
Eugene Ipavec, 7 July 2007
To read more about this band check the following:
Official website and the
Esteban Rivera, 7 July 2007
by Jitse Verwer
The flag for Vinnland, or more precisely "the people's technocratic republic of Vinnland" appears on the back of the three latest albums of the Goth-Rockgroup Type O Negative as well on numerous t-shirts. The flag is supposed to symbolize the republic of Vinnland situated in north America. Vinnland and it's flag are the brain child of the hulking blackhaired frontman of the band Type O Negative: Peter Steele. Steele incorporated his idea's of paganism, left/right wing political flirtations and his own heritage (his mother was part Icelandic) into a concept of a repubic named after the first name the Vikings gave to north America: Vinland. The Vikings landed in New Foundland around 1000 a.d. and built a colony there.Steele takes this idea and tries to imagine what America would be like if the Vikings had actualy stayed, and built a civilisation there. Based on that he designed a new flag in a scandinavian cross patern and gives it his favorite colours: green, black and white (which coincedently remind me of the german war cross). The concept of the people's technocratic republic only apears once in the songtitle "The glorious liberation of the people's technocratic republic of Vinnland by the combined forces of the united territories of Europa". In one of his interviews Steele says that he thinks the world would be better off if it were governed by scientists, hence technocratic. for more information see here
Jitse Verwer, 8 december 2000
It is a historical fact, that vikings really got to what now is called Newfoundland, and probably to Labrador and perhaps even more to the south of the North American coast too. However, they did not call that land "Vinnland" but Vinland. It is thought that the name came from the presence of currants ("vinbär" in modern Swedish), not of a supposed presence of vine or grapes.
Elias Granqvist , 9 december 2000
by Zachary Harden
This flag is from a rap artist named Xzibit. He
used this flag in his video "X", and it has a
gaunt X on a yellow background. Four of these
were seen, all on cars owned by Xzibit.
Zachary Harden , 9 february 2001
by Eugene Ipavec, 8 January 2008
Here's yet another flag, this time for Rap artist/band Wu-Tang Clan, located here
Esteban Rivera , 2 July 2007
by Joseph McMillan, 20 August 2008
I recently happened across a music video which featured - both as a backdrop and in regular use - many black/white US flags. According to Wikipedia:
"Put On" is a song by rappers Young Jeezy and Kanye West, from the album "The Recession." Its music video is "aimed at the recession." In the video, Silver & Black American Flags are hung up around neighborhoods and businesses, representing change.The flags in the video are quite striking in appearance; the context makes them a combination protest/mourning/campaign flag, "change" being the slogan of the Obama campaign. West in particular is known for being politically outspoken, having famously berated the current president on live TV during a Katrina benefit.