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image by Jarig Bakker, 29 Nov 2006
It's Norddeutscher Lloyd, Bremen, founded 1857, named after the coffeehouse
of Mr. Edward Lloyd by Hermann Heinrich Meier.
Flag: white, an anchor and key in saltire with an wreath of oak-leaves, all blue.
Depending of sources the oak-wreath is blue contoured or all blue.
From Wolter's "See und Seefahrt", 1968.
Jarig Bakker, 5 Jan 2005
I sailed with that company from 1955-59 as a decksboy, youngman, O.S.
and A.B. - and I still have a large flag as a souvenir of one of the ships
it flew on!
The flag remained in use not only until the 1970 merger of North German Lloyd with Hamburg-America Line but for 16 years longer, as the houseflag of Hapag-Lloyd. (A compromise: from 1970 onwards all ships of the combined firm flew the NGL flag and showed the Hapag funnels markings.) In 1986, all ships were given "cognac yellow" stacks and a stylized HL new house flag.
See also: "Norddeutscher Lloyd Bremen" by Edwin Drechsel, published 1995.
Wolf Spille, 26 Nov 2006
I've regiffed the flag after image on this
Jarig Bakker, 29 Nov 2006
The first depiction of this flag that I know of is a b/w drawing in
[stl97], p.85. This differs in minor
details (style) from your image.
Marcus E.V. Schmöger, 4 Feb 2007
'Flaggen auf dem Rhein' (1952 ed.) however shows a variant, appararently
for inland navigation use. Surprisingly, this house flag features the difficult-to-see
combination of black on blue. Otherwise, the design is the same.
This image indeed shows the combined anchor, key, and laurel wreath. Caption: 'Norddeutscher Lloyd Frachtkontor (i.e. freighting office, jm) Düsseldorf GmbH', seat: Düsseldorf.
A firm of this name is still found in current on-line directories but as the white-and-blue flag is no longer flown I would be surprised to see the blue-and-black one in the cloth. But one never knows...
Jan Mertens, 22 Dec 2008
Regarding this flag: see end of this
page (in German) showing the flag of Commodore Leopold Ziegenbein:
there seems to be no difference in colour between the cross and the central
emblem (i.e.: all blue). This particular flag was awarded in 1933. It was
only awarded once, according to this source.
Jan Mertens, 26 Oct 2004 and 14 Oct 2006
Here is an image from this webpage.
(flag order on Comm. Ziegenbein’s gravestone) here.
This flag was only awarded once, according to this source.
Jan Mertens, 14 Oct 2006
In the beginning the company used a swallow tail pennant. The well known
white flag with key and anchor was used since the beginning of the 1870's.
Until 1884 all ships had black funnels. Those were replaced by light orange
ones (denoted as yellow) at first for the "fast steam ships" and later
for all steamships. Later there also existed a light orange funnel with
a black top.
HAPAG, which later merged with the company used yellow funnels since 1889 for "fast steamships", since 1900 also for all passenger ships with cabins and since 1909 for all ships of the company. The Atlas line used black funnels with a white over red ring from 1901 to 1909.
The Riviera line used yellow funnels with a black top. From 1927 to 1970 all ships of the HAPAG were using a yellow funnel with a black over white over red top
After HAPAG and ND Lloyd had merged the new company used flag and funnel of Norddeutscher Lloyd until 1972. In 1972 the new blue logo was established on orange funnels but until 1987 the flag of Norddeutscher Lloyd was still used. In 1987 the white HAPAG-Lloyd flag was established..
Source: Arnold KLUDAS: Die Geschichte der deutschen Passagierschiffahrt (5 vols.), Hamburg 1986; Reprint Laibach Slovenia-Buch Nr. 03617-8; flagchart p.222
This information was reconfirmed by Harbour-captain Michael Eick on 2 April 2007 in Neumühlen tugboat-base/Hamburg.
Description of pennant. The company was located in Bremen. Therefore
the pennant had the typical vertical chequered double line at the hoist,
here consisting of twelve red and white squares starting with a red one
at the upper hoist. The rest of the flag was white with a red stripe at
top- and bottom edge. The stripes had the same width as the squares. In
the white field was a black inscription "N D Lloyd".
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 14 June 2007
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