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Unidentified Flags or Ensigns (2009)

Flags submitted in 2009

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Below is a series of images of flags that have been provided to FOTW, but which we have been unable to recognise. If you can identify any of these flags, please let us know! Contact the director. See also our page of Identified Flags to see flags we have figured out through this page.

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Six red and white stripes

Do you have any insight into what flag consisting of 6 horizontal stripes, alternating red and white, with white at the top (i.e. w-r-w-r-w-r) would be related to the destruction of Speyer by Louis XIV's forces in 1689 (Nine Years War)? Any insight you can provide would be much appreciated.
Christina Rosati, 3 January 2009


Possible New Zealand blue ensign

image by Klaus-Michael Schneider, 5 January 2009

Unknown flag, probably New Zealand
It is a blue ensign of unknown ratio with a squarish canton of unknown ratio. In the lower fly is a white disc with a coat of arms. Description of coat of arms: In a blue shield are five red 5-point stars fimbriated white. The shield is topped by a crown.
Source:
Cigarette Album: „Flags of all Nations“; Richmond, Virginia, 1888, edited by cigarette manufacturers Allen & Ginter
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 5 January 2009

Idle speculation of course, but I wonder if this was meant to be the representation (however mistaken) of a square colonial blue jack (that is the jack which could - theoretically at least - be flown by the civilian-manned ships owned by a colonial administration)?
Christopher Southworth, 5 January 2009

My guess is that it's a misinterpreted design of the Australian state of Victoria (which was, at that time, a separate colony). Certainly NZ wasn't using anything. There was a NZ flag of about that era, which had four red stars on a white disc in the fly, but nothing like the one shown here. Certainly NZ has never to the best of my knowledge had a flag of any sort with five stars.
James Dignan, 5 January 2009


Yellow over black short pennant

image by Lespey, 19 January 2009

From your web site, I can't find this flag. I'm sure is Japanese, probably from WWII but I can't find any info. I'm a Japanese WWII collector of 31 years and never seen this one.
Lespey, 19 January 2009


Japan Merchant Marine College-like flag

  image by Donald Shannon, 30 January 2009

I am the curator of the National WWII PT Boat Museum at www.battleshipcove.org. I am currently researching the origin of a flag I have attached 2 images of the flag. If you can provide any information on this flag I would greatly appreciate it.
Donald Shannon, 30 January 2009

I have not been able to identify the flag, but I have located a very similar emblem on this page - the flag of the Merchant Marine College as at about 1910. It has the same star emblem in red, but not the circle. Perhaps it is the flag of the college a few years later. Perhaps this similar design may help others to identify the actual flag in your museum.
Ralph Kelly, 30 January 2009


Red-green lapel pin with yellow cross

image by SB Barbosa, 31 January 2009

Would you happen to know where the following flag label pin is from?
SB Barbosa, 31 January 2009


Vertical banner with V

image by Peter Loeser, 7 February 2009

This flag was posted on eBay and the seller says it came from the Tumbling Waters Flag Museum. It is 27 x 96 (inches). There also seems to be one that has the fleur de lis in blue and yellow. After several days of looking the best conclusion I could come up with was NAVA. The scale is wrong on the V... but NAVA may be the answer.
Peter Lenagh, 7 February 2009


Flag in European port

  images provided by Jim Megura, 8 February 2009

I am trying to find someone who may have a general knowledge of flag design from the 17th C. I own an early painting, believed to be 17th C, and it has British ships and gunships in a harbor, with a large flag visible on the mainland. It is that flag on the mainland which I am trying to identify, seemingly a major European port city. We are also trying to then determine if this painting represents a rendering of some historical event, perhaps an attack or treaty. Perhaps you can refer to me someone who might have such knowledge. [Large flag is shown enlarged as inset in photo above.]
Jim Megura, 8 February 2009

I think I see red in the saltire of the British Union jacks at the bows of the two ships; that would place the painting post-1801.
Albert S. Kirsch, 11 February 2009

Definitely 18th century, if not early 19th as Al suggested -- not 17th. The boats in the foreground do not appear to be warships, so this may not be a military attack on a town.
T.F. Mills, 11 February 2009

The design of the large vessel at the left-hand edge of the painting is late seventeenth century, say 1670s or 1680s - it has very prominent quarter galleries picked out in gold, characteristic of English and Dutch ships of the period. The flag on the fortress does have a Spanish look, although there is a slim chance - a very slim chance - that it is a regimental colour belonging to one of the Irish regiments in French service, but that particular regiment was not serving in a coastal fortress in the period in question. If it were supposed to be the Mediterranean, I would expect to see more lateen-rigged vessels, but that's not conclusive.
Ian Sumner, 11 February 2009

Another possibility is that it's either Russian or eastern European, given that a lot of naval flags from that region are UJ-like designs.
James Dignan, 11 February 2009

Could it be a wrongly depicted Russian jack and fortress flag (1700-1917)? The usage matches; could this city be Finnish or Estonian?
António Martins-Tuválkin, 11 February 2009

image by David Prothero, 12 February 2009

The flag on land forms the hoist of a pennant in the notebook of William Downman, 1685-6. It is reproduced in 'Flags at Sea' by Timothy Wilson, National Maritime Museum, 1986. The whole pennant is shown above. There does not seem to be any available information about Cap Presmant.
David Prothero, 12 February 2009

It need not, of course, be a painting that represents an actual event. Marine painters of the period often painted 'capriccios' - vessels set against backgrounds which were typically Mediterranean, or typically Dutch, or typically East Indies, without intending that it should be identified as a particular place. So this could be a generic battle painting, which may account for the confusing (or at any rate, unidentifiable to us) details; for if you were painting an actual event, you had to get the details right, otherwise survivors of the battle would be quick to tell you where you went wrong. I suspect that if it was a generic painting, there would be more action, but you never know ...
Ian Sumner, 14 February 2009

One minor indication as to date is the size of the cantons in the red ensigns, which tended to be smaller during the interregnum of 1649 - 1660.
Christopher Southworth, 16 February 2009


White over yellow pennant with "e"

I was trying (without success) to find which Australian club (likely to be in the Northern Territory, Singapore or Queensland) which has a triangular pennant (apex of the triangle to the right) where the top half is yellow, the bottom half white and a yellow lower case "e" on black background at the base (left) of the "triangle"/pennant.
Owen, 21 March 2009


Egyptian flag (1946)

image by Nadim El Helw, 13 March 2009

I watched a video on YouTube which featured footage from the evacuation of British troops from Egypt and celebrations about it. At the celebrations we can see soldiers holding a flag which was the national flag of Egypt at that time with stripes around the crescent and three stars arranged in the shape of a kite. I have attached a screenshot from this video showing this flag and an approximate image of the flag. I would like to know what this flag is (perhaps some kind of military flag) and it would be great if you could feature it on the FOTW website.
Nadim El Helw, 13 March 2009

This flag is a regimental colour.
Mohamed Hossan el Din, 13 July 2009


Egyptian military flag

image by Nadim El Helw, 20 April 2009

As I passed by a military hospital in Cairo I saw a military flag I had not seen before and which isn't on FOTW. It was green with the national flag in the canton and crossed swords in the canton like I attached. I do not know what the flag is.
Nadim El Helw, 20 April 2009

I believe that this is an Army rank flag, I am not sure of the exact rank.
Mohamed Hossan el Din, 13 July 2009


Red, white stripes

image provided by Ernest Rugenstein, 4 May 2009

What flag is this? Soldier was in Italy in '45.
Ernest Richard Rugenstein, 4 May 2009


Red-white-black-white-red

image by Monique Rubin, 25 May 2009

I saw this flag today, and I just can't figure out what it means. Can you help me? I've attached my own drawing of it.
Monique Rubin, 25 May 2009

The colours are those of the flag of Trinidad and similar to the flag for "diver down", although in both cases the stripe should be diagonal.
Rob Raeside, 25 May 2009

This is all guesswork, but my first thought is that it looks like some Soviet-era flags, many of which were red with thin stripes close to the base. I don't know of any which used black, though there are a huge number of them, so it's possible. Similar designs are still used in some parts of what was Soviet Union - the independence movement of Chechnya's flag, for instance, has similar design elements (though this is clearly not the flag you saw). Red, white and black are the colours of the Russian republic of Udmurtia, so maybe there's some connection there.
James Dignan, 25 May 2009


11 blue stars on red

image provided by Creston Raines, 29 May 2009

I am the Adjutant of VFW Post 7498 in Port Hadlock, WA and have had a collection of 21 historical flags donated to the post. I have been able to find descriptions of 19 of these flags, but [this one] seems to be unknown. I am hoping that you will be able to shed some light on these [it]. We have these flags on display around the perimeter of the post with a brief history on each flag. Any history will be greatly appreciated.
Creston Raines, 29 May 2009


Henry Hudson flag in The Economist

image submitted by Al Kirsch, 3 July 2009

The image above appears in The Economist, as New York commemorates the arrival of Henry Hudson, then working for the Dutch East India Company. Is the flag in the painting the artist's fantasy or is it a real flag, vintage 1609?
Al Kirsch, 3 July 2009


Man's head on flag in Lucerne, Switzerland

image submitted by Dominique Cureau, 14 July 2009

Do you know what is this flag that I saw in Lucerne (Luzern). It represents the head of a man with a cap to 3 balls in yellow on a red background. See it also at http://vexil.prov.free.fr/.
Dominique Cureau, 14 July 2009


White star on blue; red border

Can you identify the flag pictured here? Obviously it is a variation of the Bonnie Blue, but is there some other significance than a fancy Bonnie Blue? It was seen on a flag pole in Pontotoc, Mississippi (I think). It was flying just below the US flag. Maybe a municipal flag?
Kevin Evans, 15 July 2009


Flag in Georgian Parliament

image submitted by Alexsandar Nemet, 21 July 2009

I wasn't able to find this flag on the FOTW site. It is hung in the parliament of Georgia. A small image is found on an English language web page; a larger image (cropped above) is found on a Georgian language page.
Alexsandar Nemet, 21 July 2009


Two flags from the Confederacy

image provided by "lancer525", 21 July 2009

I work in a house museum, and on the wall in one of the rooms, we have this hand drawn image of two flags. According to the files, this image "dates to the late 19th Century" and is "two flags from the Confederacy". I have never seen either of these two flags before, and while they look like Confederate era flags, they aren't quite exactly like any I have ever seen. One has a color reversal in the canton, and the other has a different star pattern. I would deeply appreciate any and all information anyone might know about either of these two flags.
"lancer525", 21 July 2009


Red-white striped flag on stick-pin

image provided by Ann Meacham, 24 July 2009

Have not been able to identify the following flag pin. Interesting that the style (note the rope detail wrapped around staff) matches another flag pin identified as the sport club Slavia Praha Rowing Club. Perhaps another club with international members?
Ann Meacham, FlagEmporium.com, 24 July 2009

I might be a flag pin showing an erroneous version of the flag, of former Rudergesellschaft „Nelson“ Halle, before German reunion located in Goslar. The club meanwhile merged with RC Böllberg Halle and is today part of SC Halle. The flag of “Nelson” however had only 9-stripes.(I checked it at RA77 and the club’s website as well). Due to all other parts however it is a perfect match. See: de@hrvb.html
To be on the safe side, I send a copy to SC Halle, maybe they can reconfirm my information.
Klaus-Michael Schneider, 28 July 2009


Other unidentified flags

Scattered throughout the site are many other unidentified flags.  Here is a partial list if you want to test yourself!